Comments on: A Makeup Kit for Work http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/ Jenny's Blog about whatever Wed, 01 Jun 2016 02:17:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Rei http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225957 Rei Tue, 23 Feb 2016 22:59:55 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225957 Yes, I suppose make-up is irrelevant to sexism and transmisogyny except as a tool to oppress us based on our choices. Absolutely agree with your statements except I would argue the articles came to the same conclusion ie. if you're a 20-year-old Caucasian woman don't worry about make-up yet, but it will probably help your career if you're older/of colour/trans/etc. As a non make-up wearer I've had my share of negative experiences and I've never understood the corresponding negativity that make-up wearers face. Good on you for embracing make-up at work and thanks for sharing your thoughts and research. Yes, I suppose make-up is irrelevant to sexism and transmisogyny except as a tool to oppress us based on our choices.

Absolutely agree with your statements except I would argue the articles came to the same conclusion ie. if you’re a 20-year-old Caucasian woman don’t worry about make-up yet, but it will probably help your career if you’re older/of colour/trans/etc.

As a non make-up wearer I’ve had my share of negative experiences and I’ve never understood the corresponding negativity that make-up wearers face. Good on you for embracing make-up at work and thanks for sharing your thoughts and research.

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By: Janet http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225921 Janet Sun, 21 Feb 2016 16:33:56 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225921 It's interesting to hear about that makeup study. My mom once told me back when she was a waitress at a high-end deli in San Diego that she would make better tips when she wasn't wearing makeup as opposed to when she was. Perhaps due to jealous women, or maybe she appeared as if she needed the money more by not being glammed up.. either way it's food for thought ;) It’s interesting to hear about that makeup study. My mom once told me back when she was a waitress at a high-end deli in San Diego that she would make better tips when she wasn’t wearing makeup as opposed to when she was. Perhaps due to jealous women, or maybe she appeared as if she needed the money more by not being glammed up.. either way it’s food for thought ;)

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225822 jenny Mon, 15 Feb 2016 00:50:28 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225822 I've come to just not want any comments on my appearance at the office. Even if it's a nice one. I'm at work and I'm a short and to the point type person. But I also know that people are trying to be nice or maybe concerned or maybe they're just really nosey :). But realizing that news sites and articles are just cherry picking the advice they want to give really made me sit back and think about how much of what we read is just smoke and mirrors. I’ve come to just not want any comments on my appearance at the office. Even if it’s a nice one. I’m at work and I’m a short and to the point type person. But I also know that people are trying to be nice or maybe concerned or maybe they’re just really nosey :). But realizing that news sites and articles are just cherry picking the advice they want to give really made me sit back and think about how much of what we read is just smoke and mirrors.

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225821 jenny Mon, 15 Feb 2016 00:45:38 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225821 Definitely a nice quote that can be used in so many different situations. Especially when frustrated haha! Definitely a nice quote that can be used in so many different situations. Especially when frustrated haha!

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225820 jenny Mon, 15 Feb 2016 00:44:29 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225820 For me it's not counter-productive because I want to wear makeup on whichever days I choose. The two studies are conflicting. Where one states that makeup is negative the other states it's positive. There's truly no right answer because like I said the concept of it being good or bad is a trap created by society at large with even conflicting outcomes within psychological studies set out to prove one or the other. The only good answer is to follow what makes you feel your best (focused, comfortable, yourself.) And these 2 studies seemed to be the most linked in these "women who ____ makeup make higher salaries" click-bait articles. One study clearly states it's only focusing on Caucasian women, so not only do studies not factor in job-type (such as bar tending or nursing) it also lacks intersectionality. However this doesn't stop sites from writing up articles telling you should/shouldn't wear makeup and basing it on a singular study despite similar studies finding opposing outcomes. I absolutely agree with you that we're conditioned to take responsibility for distracting male coworkers (and female coworkers with internalized misogyny who feel the need to tell other women what they're doing wrong) and quite honestly fuck that altogether and all the articles convincing people who want to or don't want to wear makeup that their choices have an impact on their careers because it's not truly a choice they have at all to begin with. For me it’s not counter-productive because I want to wear makeup on whichever days I choose. The two studies are conflicting. Where one states that makeup is negative the other states it’s positive. There’s truly no right answer because like I said the concept of it being good or bad is a trap created by society at large with even conflicting outcomes within psychological studies set out to prove one or the other. The only good answer is to follow what makes you feel your best (focused, comfortable, yourself.)

And these 2 studies seemed to be the most linked in these “women who ____ makeup make higher salaries” click-bait articles. One study clearly states it’s only focusing on Caucasian women, so not only do studies not factor in job-type (such as bar tending or nursing) it also lacks intersectionality. However this doesn’t stop sites from writing up articles telling you should/shouldn’t wear makeup and basing it on a singular study despite similar studies finding opposing outcomes.

I absolutely agree with you that we’re conditioned to take responsibility for distracting male coworkers (and female coworkers with internalized misogyny who feel the need to tell other women what they’re doing wrong) and quite honestly fuck that altogether and all the articles convincing people who want to or don’t want to wear makeup that their choices have an impact on their careers because it’s not truly a choice they have at all to begin with.

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By: Rei http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225817 Rei Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:06:54 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225817 Very interesting read. But isn't it counter-productive to apply make-up at your desk (especially when you're running late?) Surely this reinforces the negative connotations you discussed? At the workplace, make-up matters less than attractiveness, which matters less than a nice body, which are objective standards and, in my opinion, highlights sexism at the workplace. For example, bright lipstick is something you can remove to avoid the objectification you described, but an employee with big breasts can't help but exude 'femininity'; we're conditioned to take responsibility for distracting our male colleagues (whether with make-up, our bodies, or whatever). I work at a bar so my experience of objectification and the contrast to how my male colleagues are treated is probably more stark than an office environment. Thanks for this thought-provoking post. Very interesting read. But isn’t it counter-productive to apply make-up at your desk (especially when you’re running late?) Surely this reinforces the negative connotations you discussed?

At the workplace, make-up matters less than attractiveness, which matters less than a nice body, which are objective standards and, in my opinion, highlights sexism at the workplace. For example, bright lipstick is something you can remove to avoid the objectification you described, but an employee with big breasts can’t help but exude ‘femininity’; we’re conditioned to take responsibility for distracting our male colleagues (whether with make-up, our bodies, or whatever).

I work at a bar so my experience of objectification and the contrast to how my male colleagues are treated is probably more stark than an office environment. Thanks for this thought-provoking post.

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By: Eliza http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225748 Eliza Thu, 11 Feb 2016 22:33:17 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225748 “Be the change you want to see.” Perfect. I'll remember that quote for when I'm back working in a office environment, again :) Love the makeup featured in this post!! “Be the change you want to see.” Perfect. I’ll remember that quote for when I’m back working in a office environment, again :) Love the makeup featured in this post!!

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By: Kamille http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225626 Kamille Sun, 07 Feb 2016 23:27:05 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225626 Omg! I also get the "you look unhappy" or "you look tired" when I don't wear makeup to the office :/ For me, I like to wear makeup whenever I feel like it so kudos to you for pointing out the bogus studies :) Omg! I also get the “you look unhappy” or “you look tired” when I don’t wear makeup to the office :/ For me, I like to wear makeup whenever I feel like it so kudos to you for pointing out the bogus studies :)

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225616 jenny Sun, 07 Feb 2016 15:07:12 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225616 Yeah I definitely know the type of work you do comes with its own set of situations. Some past jobs I've had in the food industry had strict clothing and no makeup rules. Wearing business attire is overrated (and expensive.) Plus you can enjoy dressing up when you go out more! I'm constantly enjoying dressing down b/c all I do is dress up. Yeah I definitely know the type of work you do comes with its own set of situations. Some past jobs I’ve had in the food industry had strict clothing and no makeup rules.

Wearing business attire is overrated (and expensive.) Plus you can enjoy dressing up when you go out more! I’m constantly enjoying dressing down b/c all I do is dress up.

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By: Kate http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225545 Kate Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:19:37 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225545 It's so funny to think about work makeup/attire to me... as an ICU nurse, I pretty much never wear makeup to work, and we all wear scrubs. I've often wondered if it might be nice to work in an office and wear ~work clothes~, but I'll admit that wearing what's basically... pajamas... to work is pretty great, haha (: It’s so funny to think about work makeup/attire to me… as an ICU nurse, I pretty much never wear makeup to work, and we all wear scrubs. I’ve often wondered if it might be nice to work in an office and wear ~work clothes~, but I’ll admit that wearing what’s basically… pajamas… to work is pretty great, haha (:

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225445 jenny Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:22:53 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225445 Haha I don't think you dicked it up. Sometimes it's frustrating when people won't just move on. I work with a lot of older men as well and they tend to be the ones to make the comments. I get the "tired comments" pretty much any day I don't wear makeup. Sometimes I'll agree b/c I am, other times I'll say I'm fine. Sometimes I just say "I'm just not wearing makeup" and they'll backtrack and say "oh, it's not that, it's just that you look a bit red." And I laugh to myself b/c I'm always red without makeup! Thanks for the website suggestion. I wasn't familiar with it! Haha I don’t think you dicked it up. Sometimes it’s frustrating when people won’t just move on. I work with a lot of older men as well and they tend to be the ones to make the comments. I get the “tired comments” pretty much any day I don’t wear makeup. Sometimes I’ll agree b/c I am, other times I’ll say I’m fine. Sometimes I just say “I’m just not wearing makeup” and they’ll backtrack and say “oh, it’s not that, it’s just that you look a bit red.” And I laugh to myself b/c I’m always red without makeup!

Thanks for the website suggestion. I wasn’t familiar with it!

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225444 jenny Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:18:08 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225444 That's awesome! And I think that's the best way it can be. The distraction thing is definitely a balancing act especially for meetings. Most of the time I don't put thought into mine unless it's like an all day meeting and I know a full face of makeup will make me feel extra sweaty/tired during it. That’s awesome! And I think that’s the best way it can be. The distraction thing is definitely a balancing act especially for meetings. Most of the time I don’t put thought into mine unless it’s like an all day meeting and I know a full face of makeup will make me feel extra sweaty/tired during it.

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225443 jenny Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:12:18 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225443 I've had that exact same thought about slacks and button ups. I actually wear skirts to work (my office sounds similar to yours, business casual) because skirts are just more comfortable than pants to me and I can only code with my legs pulled up in my chair which is easier in skirts. So like you said comfort. But I've had some people tell me they think it's because I like feeling "feminine" which isn't true. I often wonder if the stress over work attire isn't something linked to dress code fiascos that many girls experience during their school years? There was a lot of stress on girls dress codes in my school and who's to say that doesn't then bleed over into your adult life? Not to mention the countless articles about how to "properly" dress for work. I’ve had that exact same thought about slacks and button ups. I actually wear skirts to work (my office sounds similar to yours, business casual) because skirts are just more comfortable than pants to me and I can only code with my legs pulled up in my chair which is easier in skirts. So like you said comfort. But I’ve had some people tell me they think it’s because I like feeling “feminine” which isn’t true.

I often wonder if the stress over work attire isn’t something linked to dress code fiascos that many girls experience during their school years? There was a lot of stress on girls dress codes in my school and who’s to say that doesn’t then bleed over into your adult life? Not to mention the countless articles about how to “properly” dress for work.

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By: Sasha http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225441 Sasha Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:01:36 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225441 The blog Corporette has had a few interesting discussions on the makeup at work thing - looking polished is good, but also sometimes looking like you're too busy to worry about makeup is also good or it can make you look older/more senior. Ultimately, I think no one really cares, and like you I wear it mostly for fun I've only every gotten the "you look tired" thing once and I was just like "I feel fine" and then when the person was really dense and kept saying it, I dicked it up and was like, "sorry you think I don't look nice today." Ultimately, I work with mostly men and after so long in the workforce, my conclusion is that most men are too dense to notice either way so what does it matter. The blog Corporette has had a few interesting discussions on the makeup at work thing – looking polished is good, but also sometimes looking like you’re too busy to worry about makeup is also good or it can make you look older/more senior. Ultimately, I think no one really cares, and like you I wear it mostly for fun I’ve only every gotten the “you look tired” thing once and I was just like “I feel fine” and then when the person was really dense and kept saying it, I dicked it up and was like, “sorry you think I don’t look nice today.” Ultimately, I work with mostly men and after so long in the workforce, my conclusion is that most men are too dense to notice either way so what does it matter.

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By: jenny http://sushi-cat.net/2016/02/03/a-makeup-kit-for-work/#comment-1225439 jenny Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:58:52 +0000 http://sushi-cat.net/?p=5366#comment-1225439 "It's a whole mess," I couldn't agree more and that's exactly what led me to looking into exactly "which studies" these articles were referring to because I had internalized "women who wear makeup get paid higher salaries" as fact! When really the most common correlation I could find was that women of higher salaries just purchased more makeup. That couldn't be linked to their careers at all. It was most likely just having disposable income led to purchasing more beauty items. And so I just sit there realizing, "Oh.. it's all bs isn't it? GAH!" “It’s a whole mess,” I couldn’t agree more and that’s exactly what led me to looking into exactly “which studies” these articles were referring to because I had internalized “women who wear makeup get paid higher salaries” as fact! When really the most common correlation I could find was that women of higher salaries just purchased more makeup. That couldn’t be linked to their careers at all. It was most likely just having disposable income led to purchasing more beauty items. And so I just sit there realizing, “Oh.. it’s all bs isn’t it? GAH!”

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